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In this season 8 finale, Clara goes all in with a ruse to convince a cathedral full of Cybers that Clara Oswald never existed and she’s actually the Doctor. Except she’s not the Doctor.

Newly de-emoted Danny Pink is downloaded from the Nethersphere into a freshly pollinated Cyber-suit. Except he didn’t delete his emotions after all, and wasn’t he cremated?

Meanwhile, President Who of Earth with KAGELS and Osgood are flying nowhere in Boat One with no plan, while two UNIT grunts guard a handcuffed Missy. Except they aren’t watching her hands.

Here's what we think of N116 Death in Heaven

We rate Doctor Who stories on a scale from 0.0 to 5.0. For context, very few are excellent enough to merit a 5.0 in our minds, and we'd take a 0.0 Doctor Who story over a lot of other, non-Whovian stuff out there.

Leon | @ponken

2.1

Drew | @drewbackwhen

1.8

Marie | Not on twitter...

1.8

Here's what we think of N116 Death in Heaven

We rate Doctor Who stories on a scale from 0.0 to 5.0. For context, very few are excellent enough to merit a 5.0 in our minds, and we'd take a 0.0 Doctor Who story over a lot of other, non-Whovian stuff out there.

Leon | @ponken

2.1

Drew | @drewbackwhen

1.8

Marie | Not on twitter...

1.8

Here's what you think 6 Responses to “N116 Death in Heaven”
  1. Awesome Alfie

    I really liked this one. Once again the Cybermen were cool; however, the flying isn’t so good but it’s better than being super fast. Cyber Brigadier was interesting.

    The inhibitor chip inside his chest gets switched to overload, and Danny’s not gonna go to school today because he’s dead. Ok I didn’t know how to finish the song but overall it was a good episode. Missy was intimidating and the doc becoming the president of earth was shocking. I give this episode 4.6

  2. Michael Ridgway | @bad_movie_club

    Likes:

    • That portrait of the Brigadier wouldn’t happen to be from Seventh Doctor story Battlefield would it?
    • Missy – possibly the cruelest baddy in Who history. More please.

    Beefs:

    • It takes skill to offer golden nuggets and (abracadabra!) turn them into wet turds. Take the Cybermen emerging from graves. Looks awesomely creepy, right? Swiftly ruined by having them stand around aimlessly. Danny’s visceral attack on Doctor’s “beautiful speeches” that “disappear in the face of a tactical advantage” is super-powerful: but ruined by Danny’s daft ‘rousing’ speech to the Cybermen. As if they care or even have a choice. These aren’t real Cybermen. They are fakes. They have no free will. I yearn for the ‘80s Cybermen: no empathy and pain shouldn’t mean no personality. And why tempt the Doctor with an army but not explore how he would use it?
    • The return of the kid. Right intentions Danny but how is this going to go down? He hasn’t aged: it’ll freak everyone out. Is he going back to a war zone? How will his newfound views on the afterlife go down in a very religiously conservative, not overly tolerant part of the world? ‘Heaven is a Nethersphere and Allah is a looney lady’: Islamic State aren’t going to laugh that shit off.
    • Cyber Brigadier. Minus four points. You were warned.

    Summary: The Doctor is wonderful. Missy is wonderful. Everybody is acting their socks off. But they’re working with material that makes no sense.

    Rating: -2.2/5 Cyber zombie people standing around not doing much. How are these long-buried corpses even Cybermen? Does Cyber armour grow on the bodies by the rain? I want to weep.

  3. Robbie and Alicia | @RobbieSE (Insta: @graysongridcosplay)

    Hey guys! Hopefully this reaches you in time for recording.

    But as for our review of Death in Heaven, again I loved seeing Clara play Doctor so to speak and seeing Danny fight to keep himself whole for Claras sake was heartwarming, as heartwarming as a Cyberman can be anyways! The reveal of Missy being the one that brought Clara and the Doctor together was a nice surprise. The Doctor giving the bracelet to Danny and with Danny basically saving the day was, in a weird way, a nice ending for him for me. I enjoyed his character and I was happy with his final act in saving the others, including the little boy. He didn’t get the happily ever after with Clara, but this was a nice alternative I enjoyed.

    As for my girlfriend Alicia, she added she likes it a lot and it had interesting character development for Clara. She found they also finally put Danny in a good light and he did the right thing sacrificing himself for the little boy. She felt it was the first time we see the friendship between Doctor and the Master in New Who, which she loves seeing.

    In conclusion, we give this one 4.8 out of 5 (we graded it together). Everyone stay healthy and safe!

    – Robbie and Alicia

  4. David. E

    After losing my mind with anger about the last Pertwee story two years ago (and you were right to not read it out) I vowed I would only send in a mini review if I had something positive to say.

    However, to misquote Gandalf THIS CANNOT PASS!

    In the Forest of the Night tells kids to not take their medication. How bloody irresponsible! DISGUSTING!

    Dark Water puts forward the idea that dead people still feel pain after they die. DISGUSTING!

    Death in Heaven resurrects the Brigadier as a cyberman…UTTERLY DISGUSTING!

    I’ve seen the worst classic Who has to offer and Fear Her and all that, but I seriously had to hold myself back from putting my fist through the screen when that happened. How can you do that to one of the most beloved characters of the entire show? Words fail me…I’m completely dumbfounded!

    It doesn’t exist, the last couple of years are stricken from the record for me. As far as I’m concerned Matt Smith was the Doctor for one season and regenerates into Capaldi at the beginning of season 9. After the pandorica opened Moffat lost his goddam mind. What was the man on??

    Sorry for all the caps, but…bloody hell!!

    The series massively improves from here.

    David. E

  5. Hey WBW gang! Huge fan of the show (I’m on my 2nd run through the whole thing from the beginning, and I’m watching Pertwee along with the podcast right now), but there are many times where it seems you didn’t pay attention in the episode, and this is one of them.

    You all missed and/or misinterpreted a *lot* of what happens in “Death in Heaven.” It’s still chock-a-block with plot holes, and if you want to talk about the myriad ways it makes no sense, and breaks Cyber-canon, to have dead souls inhabit Cybers that have no living being integrated into them, that’s fair game. But just in the first 20 minutes, you all seemed to get all of these points wrong:

    • You all repeatedly talked about the dead having a choice whether or not to delete their emotions, but that’s wrong. At the end of “Dark Water,” DeadDanny in the Nethersphere is offered the option to delete *himself* after his call with Clara, and in “Death in Heaven,” ZombieCyberDanny’s emotional inhibitor *failed to switch on* and he needed Clara to do it for him. But everyone else who became a zombie Cyber didn’t have a choice.
    • ZombieCyberDanny says the plan is for a second rainfall, yes, but Missy makes it *very* clear that’s *only* because her plan is to give the Doctor a Cyber-army, and *force him to accept it* by threatening humanity. With this army the Doctor can stop the second wave. Without it, he can’t. Her plan is to bring the Doctor down to her level. Her plan is to force him to *save* humanity. That’s why she converted the dead *first*.
    • Nobody ever says the entire Cyber army is going to be made up of people who died for the Doctor. And it’s not a “handful” of the bodies in each graveyard that get Cyber-ized. Missy *very specifically says*, “Every man, woman, and child who ever lived is at my command.”

    It may be a story with all the tensile strength of a wet paper towel, but WBW spent a lot of time criticizing the episode for things that you all got wrong (often despite clear, and indeed important, lines of dialog in the very scenes you’re complaining about).

    Still love the show!

    • Hey Robio!

      Glad you like the show! Second time listening to the whole thing, eh? You’re a hero!

      Yep, I’m sure there are plenty of things that we overlook or straight-up misunderstand in some episodes. I believe you noted this on prior occasions, too, before you regenerated from 100 Watt Walrus, so clearly we’re still learning. ;-)

      To your first point, though, it makes so little sense to only give Danny the choice of deleting himself, that if you’re right, then I’m even angrier at this episode now! Surely, if he ought to be treated differently to all other individuals in the Nethersphere, then he should be the only one not given that choice…

      Anyhoo, thanks for the input!

      Ciao-Ciao,

      L

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